Video/talk: Sturges House - Los Angeles, CA

To control SPAM, you must now be a registered user to post to this Message Board.

EFFECTIVE 14 Nov. 2012 PRIVATE MESSAGING HAS BEEN RE-ENABLED. IF YOU RECEIVE A SUSPICIOUS DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS AND PLEASE REPORT TO THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION.

This is the Frank Lloyd Wright Building Conservancy's Message Board. Wright enthusiasts can post questions and comments, and other people visiting the site can respond.

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, *-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed). The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time they see fit.
Post Reply
DavidC
Posts: 8743
Joined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:22 pm
Location: Oak Ridge, TN

Video/talk: Sturges House - Los Angeles, CA

Post by DavidC »


Roderick Grant
Posts: 11124
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:48 am

Re: Video/talk: Sturges House - Los Angeles, CA

Post by Roderick Grant »

Jop Cornelis does excellent work on his videos, but in this case, he perpetuates a myth. The ceiling of Sturges is supported entirely by the longitudinal beams across the room at the full height of the space, not the slight posts from the cross beams that connect the two. They are there for visual impact exclusively. Remove them (as Jack Larson did for me back in '89 when I visited the house) and nothing happens, they perform no structural task. Minor error, but significant as well.

SDR
Posts: 21109
Joined: Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:33 pm
Location: San Francisco

Re: Video/talk: Sturges House - Los Angeles, CA

Post by SDR »

I've never quite understood those; they appear on the Sturges section drawings. Perhaps Mr Wright (uncharacteristically ?) thought the space needed a bit of vertical emphasis---or maybe he liked playing with the observer by suggesting that he could miraculously support a roof on matchsticks. Of course it's also possible that they were intended to provide support if necessary to a lightly loaded roof structure whose beams are laid flat and are thus relatively flexible ? That the roof was not bearing on the spindles when Roderick was there could have been a seasonal effect, or perhaps the wood of the roof---decking and the flat 2x12 atop the spindles---was selected to crown upward and never descended . . .

Image


Similarly decorated verticals are found at the Price desert house:

Image

Image


A skinny steel post, one of several at Wingspread holding up a large trellis, is just visible in this photo and is reminiscent of those supporting the stair canopy at Fallingwater.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j283/ ... ject-1.jpg

S

SDR
Posts: 21109
Joined: Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:33 pm
Location: San Francisco

Re: Video/talk: Sturges House - Los Angeles, CA

Post by SDR »

The drawing notes "mill construction" floor and roof decks; I believe the specs call for 4x6s to be split and then spiked to each other---successively, one assumes.

Image

Image

Roderick Grant
Posts: 11124
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:48 am

Re: Video/talk: Sturges House - Los Angeles, CA

Post by Roderick Grant »

Of course, Sturges wood spindles and Price steel spindles are alike only in appearance.

At my viewing, Jack grabbed a spindle and removed it to show that it was in no way a structural element, and he fitted it back without a problem. A more serious structural concern is with those 4"x12" cross beams, which were intended to be solid redwood. Unable to acquire 4" beams long enough to span the living room and continue outside to support the trellis, thinner beams (I believe 3 per) were joined together to make up 4" in shorter, overlapping lengths. This eventuated in the failure of the trellis, which had sagged well below head height by the time Jack bought the house. Lautner added steel to the top sides of the beams to correct that problem.

Post Reply